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I just learned of the existence of CA Route 259. Please explain its seemingly completely illogical existence.

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cahwyguy
Nov. 2nd, 2007 04:09 pm (UTC)
It's been around a while. Don't you read my pages?

State Shield

State Route 259



Routing

From Route 215 to Route 210 in San Bernardino.

Status

This routing is signed as access to Route 30 East and I-215 South. However, the callboxes and some maps identify it as Route 259, and the new exit numbers will make this even clearer. It serves as a ramp to Route 30 E when traveling NB on I-215, and as a ramp to I-215 S when travelling WB on Route 30. It also serves Highland Avenue and E Street (which is accessed from I-215 NB only).

Post 1964 Signage History

This routing was first defined as a state route in 1965. This segment was changed to end at Route 210 in 1999, reflecting the 1998 change of Route 30 to Route 210 (AB 1650, Ch 724, 10/10/99).

Pre 1964 Signage History

This was part of LRN 43, defined in 1933. It appears that this might have been part of pre-1964 Route 18.

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Freeway

[SHC 253.1] Entire route. Added to the Freeway and Expressway system in 1959.

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Overall statistics for Route 259:

  • Total Length (1995): 1 mile
  • Average Daily Traffic (1992): 50,000 to 66,000.
  • Milage Classification: Rural: 0; Sm. Urban: 0; Urbanized: 1.
  • Previous Federal Aid Milage: FAP: 1 mi.
  • Functional Classification: Prin. Arterial: 1 mi.
  • Counties Traversed: San Bernardino.

rialtus
Nov. 2nd, 2007 04:51 pm (UTC)
But that doesn't really explain *WHY* this is around. It's 1 bloody mile for cryin' out loud. And it's signed as a different freeway. So why not just officially make it part of the freeway it's signed as?
cahwyguy
Nov. 2nd, 2007 05:12 pm (UTC)
Most likely, for maintenance reasons. You have two distinct stretches of Route 30 (oops) 210 at that point: the E/W version (the main line) and the N/S connector to I-215 (which is likely older). As maintenance is by post miles, it would be ambiguous what a particular postmile would be in that area. However, if you make one of those segments a different number, maintenance calls and funding references are similar. However, the travelling public need not know that, so 259 was hidden... until you had to expose the milage markers with exit numbering. Then you would have had two exits with the same number... again arguging for keeping 259 as 259. For a similar route, look at Route 51, which is never signed as Route 51.
zarchasmpgmr
Nov. 2nd, 2007 10:49 pm (UTC)
For a similar route, look at Route 51, which is never signed as Route 51.

Unless you put up one of those "your tax dollars at work" signs.

The call boxes are identified as CA-51.

Frankly, I'd rather get rid of the whole Biz-80/CCF monicker.
jumbach
Nov. 3rd, 2007 02:18 am (UTC)
Heh, there are some state highways in Nevada that are less than one tenth of a mile long, e.g., a portion of Prater Way in Sparks. (In front of Target.)
cahwyguy
Nov. 2nd, 2007 05:16 pm (UTC)
Also, look at this page (scroll down to Part II). Quoting from that page:

To see CA 259's role, let's examine this map from 1969, which not only shows CA 30's state in those days but also the plans for CA 18 and CA 30. This was before 1972, so CA 106 still existed, and CA 30's proposed freeway routing was from the west, over the I-15/US 395 (modern I-215) freeway, along the stub we saw which here is signed CA 18, and then as freeway to City Creek Rd (modern CA 330). For its part, CA 18 is supposed to follow a freeway alignment from the switchbacks on north Waterman Ave, down near Harrison St, crossing CA 30 and proceeding more or less between Waterman and Tippecanoe Avenues to I-10. So why is there this little stub between Waterman Ave and I-15/US 395 signed CA 18 when it's not even part of the future plans?

The answer is, it's not CA 18 at all -- it's a totally different route number, built as a connecting piece in 1968 apparently to allow CA 18 to have a freeway connection from US 395. In those days, CA 18 was the more prominent route than CA 30, having at one time gone as far south as Long Beach, and was even routed along the US 395 freeway (along with I-15 *and* US 91) on what is now I-215 prior to the Great Renumbering, so giving it a direct freeway connector made sense pending its own conversion into freeway. When the "I-15" (I-215) to Highland Avenue section of the CA 30 was completed, it incorporated CA 259 and thus CA 259 was then cosigned CA 18 and CA 30, although it was still neither one. CA 259 always had its own route number, even though it didn't use it, because it was never intended to be permanently part of either highway's routing. When the freeway incarnations of CA 18 and CA 30 were finished, CA 259 would no longer be necessary -- but CA 18 never did get finished.

Even on these new signs on NB I-215 ca. 2002, CA 259 is still not signed -- the signs, as before, still list the freeway as east CA 30. [As of July 2007, this is no longer true. There are now two CA 259 shields, one in each direction, near the Highland Avenue exit.]
zarchasmpgmr
Nov. 2nd, 2007 06:59 pm (UTC)
There are now two CA 259 shields, one in each direction, near the Highland Avenue exit.

Awesome! Finally! I guess that will go with the Exit 1B numbers for Highland Ave.

I wonder if they've changed the shields on the onramps from Highland. They used to be I-215 for SB and CA-30 for NB.

I still want to see Exit 26 numbers on CA-330 at Highland Ave.
rialtus
Nov. 2nd, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
I'm seriously considering going out there this weekend. If I do, I'll make sure to bring a camera...
riversidedimple
Nov. 3rd, 2007 01:00 am (UTC)
Not if I beat you to it! :-p

This will give me SOMETHING to do tomorrow. =)
rialtus
Nov. 2nd, 2007 09:01 pm (UTC)
You realize I'm going to have to go out there this weekend, right? And all for no reason but to see about this road.
cahwyguy
Nov. 2nd, 2007 09:07 pm (UTC)
That's right, blame me. Maybe next Sunday afternoon you can get tickets to Thomas at OERM, and actually come down and say hi! (my daughter and I will be working 2nd and 3rd shifts on Sunday 11/11 as Thomas attendents).
zarchasmpgmr
Nov. 2nd, 2007 10:50 pm (UTC)
working 2nd and 3rd shifts

Wow! A 16 hour shift!
cahwyguy
Nov. 3rd, 2007 12:34 am (UTC)
2nd and 3rd shifts are from 10:30am until 5:00pm. They are approx. 3-4 hour shifts. You should come on down.
zarchasmpgmr
Nov. 3rd, 2007 03:23 am (UTC)
Someday. I can only afford one trip this year to L.A., and that's probably going to be the week between Xmas and New Years.
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